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"message": "forking nova is not something that is goingto happen imo\n\nwe need a way to opt into one or the other modle\n\nwaht that might mean is providing 2 console script entry points \n\nnova-compute would becoem\n\nnova-compute, nova-compute-eventlet and nova-comptue-asyncio\nwith nova-comptue initally being an alias for nova-compute-eventlet\n\n\nalternitivly we could supprot the diffent code paths via config options or envionement variabels.\n\nit reallly depend on what the incremental improment looks like.\n\nif we fork however we are going to have the python2 python 3 problem of on going code devleopemtn happing in both in parallel\n\nin my view that will make this unacivhable and fork our comunity so i dont think this is a good approch to take at all.",
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