diff --git a/octavia/api/v2/controllers/listener.py b/octavia/api/v2/controllers/listener.py
index 2b81825b7b..35e7781df5 100644
--- a/octavia/api/v2/controllers/listener.py
+++ b/octavia/api/v2/controllers/listener.py
@@ -544,15 +544,16 @@ class ListenersController(base.BaseController):
                 driver_utils.listener_dict_to_provider_dict(listener_dict))
 
             # Also prepare the baseline object data
-            old_provider_llistener = (
-                driver_utils.db_listener_to_provider_listener(db_listener))
+            old_provider_listener = (
+                driver_utils.db_listener_to_provider_listener(db_listener,
+                                                              for_delete=True))
 
             # Dispatch to the driver
             LOG.info("Sending update Listener %s to provider %s", id,
                      driver.name)
             driver_utils.call_provider(
                 driver.name, driver.listener_update,
-                old_provider_llistener,
+                old_provider_listener,
                 driver_dm.Listener.from_dict(provider_listener_dict))
 
             # Update the database to reflect what the driver just accepted
diff --git a/octavia/api/v2/controllers/load_balancer.py b/octavia/api/v2/controllers/load_balancer.py
index 4c73170411..7520e8bfa0 100644
--- a/octavia/api/v2/controllers/load_balancer.py
+++ b/octavia/api/v2/controllers/load_balancer.py
@@ -588,7 +588,8 @@ class LoadBalancersController(base.BaseController):
 
             # Also prepare the baseline object data
             old_provider_lb = (
-                driver_utils.db_loadbalancer_to_provider_loadbalancer(db_lb))
+                driver_utils.db_loadbalancer_to_provider_loadbalancer(
+                    db_lb, for_delete=True))
 
             # Dispatch to the driver
             LOG.info("Sending update Load Balancer %s to provider "
diff --git a/octavia/api/v2/controllers/pool.py b/octavia/api/v2/controllers/pool.py
index 92aee47c25..62c2deb414 100644
--- a/octavia/api/v2/controllers/pool.py
+++ b/octavia/api/v2/controllers/pool.py
@@ -403,7 +403,7 @@ class PoolsController(base.BaseController):
 
             # Also prepare the baseline object data
             old_provider_pool = driver_utils.db_pool_to_provider_pool(
-                db_pool)
+                db_pool, for_delete=True)
 
             # Dispatch to the driver
             LOG.info("Sending update Pool %s to provider %s", id, driver.name)
diff --git a/octavia/tests/functional/api/v2/test_listener.py b/octavia/tests/functional/api/v2/test_listener.py
index c130cc1958..7d1a39940f 100644
--- a/octavia/tests/functional/api/v2/test_listener.py
+++ b/octavia/tests/functional/api/v2/test_listener.py
@@ -1310,6 +1310,26 @@ class TestListener(base.BaseAPITest):
                                             api_listener['id'])
         return ori_listener, api_listener
 
+    def test_update_with_bad_tls_ref(self):
+        listener = self.create_listener(constants.PROTOCOL_TCP,
+                                        443, self.lb_id)
+        tls_uuid = uuidutils.generate_uuid()
+        self.set_lb_status(self.lb_id)
+        self.listener_repo.update(db_api.get_session(),
+                                  listener['listener']['id'],
+                                  tls_certificate_id=tls_uuid,
+                                  protocol=constants.PROTOCOL_TERMINATED_HTTPS)
+
+        listener_path = self.LISTENER_PATH.format(
+            listener_id=listener['listener']['id'])
+        update_data = {'name': 'listener2'}
+        body = self._build_body(update_data)
+        api_listener = self.put(listener_path, body).json.get(self.root_tag)
+        response = self.get(self.listener_path.format(
+            listener_id=listener['listener']['id']))
+        api_listener = response.json.get(self.root_tag)
+        self.assertEqual('listener2', api_listener['name'])
+
     def test_negative_update_udp_case(self):
         api_listener = self.create_listener(constants.PROTOCOL_UDP, 6666,
                                             self.lb_id).get(self.root_tag)
diff --git a/octavia/tests/functional/api/v2/test_pool.py b/octavia/tests/functional/api/v2/test_pool.py
index f72e01c36d..43e5cec4ab 100644
--- a/octavia/tests/functional/api/v2/test_pool.py
+++ b/octavia/tests/functional/api/v2/test_pool.py
@@ -1443,6 +1443,34 @@ class TestPool(base.BaseAPITest):
             lb_id=self.lb_id, listener_id=self.listener_id,
             pool_id=response.get('id'))
 
+    def test_update_with_bad_tls_ref(self):
+        api_pool = self.create_pool(
+            self.lb_id,
+            constants.PROTOCOL_HTTP,
+            constants.LB_ALGORITHM_ROUND_ROBIN,
+            listener_id=self.listener_id).get(self.root_tag)
+        self.set_lb_status(lb_id=self.lb_id)
+        # Set status to ACTIVE/ONLINE because set_lb_status did it in the db
+        api_pool['provisioning_status'] = constants.ACTIVE
+        api_pool['operating_status'] = constants.ONLINE
+        api_pool.pop('updated_at')
+
+        response = self.get(self.POOL_PATH.format(
+            pool_id=api_pool.get('id'))).json.get(self.root_tag)
+        response.pop('updated_at')
+        self.assertEqual(api_pool, response)
+
+        tls_uuid = uuidutils.generate_uuid()
+        self.pool_repo.update(db_api.get_session(),
+                              api_pool.get('id'),
+                              tls_certificate_id=tls_uuid)
+        update_data = {'name': 'pool2'}
+        self.put(self.POOL_PATH.format(pool_id=api_pool.get('id')),
+                 self._build_body(update_data))
+        response = self.get(self.POOL_PATH.format(
+            pool_id=api_pool.get('id'))).json.get(self.root_tag)
+        self.assertEqual('pool2', response.get('name'))
+
     def test_bad_update(self):
         api_pool = self.create_pool(
             self.lb_id,