diff --git a/docker/services/logging/files/nova-api.yaml b/docker/services/logging/files/nova-api.yaml
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..402bce9fae
--- /dev/null
+++ b/docker/services/logging/files/nova-api.yaml
@@ -0,0 +1,40 @@
+heat_template_version: pike
+
+description: >
+  Template for nova-api's logging to files
+
+parameters:
+  DockerNovaApiImage:
+    description: image
+    type: string
+
+outputs:
+  config_settings:
+    description: Extra hieradata needed to log to files in the host.
+    value: null
+  volumes:
+    description: The volumes needed to log to files in the host.
+    value: &nova_api_volumes
+      - /var/log/containers/nova:/var/log/nova
+      - /var/log/containers/httpd/nova-api:/var/log/httpd
+  docker_config:
+    description: Extra containers needed for logging to files in the host.
+    value:
+      step_2:
+        # db sync runs before permissions set by kolla_config
+        nova_api_init_logs:
+          image: {get_param: DockerNovaApiImage}
+          privileged: false
+          user: root
+          volumes: *nova_api_volumes
+          command: ['/bin/bash', '-c', 'chown -R nova:nova /var/log/nova']
+  host_prep_tasks:
+    description: Extra ansible tasks needed for logging to files in the host.
+    value:
+      - name: create persistent logs directory
+        file:
+          path: "{{ item }}"
+          state: directory
+        with_items:
+          - /var/log/containers/nova
+          - /var/log/containers/httpd/nova-api
diff --git a/docker/services/logging/files/nova-common.yaml b/docker/services/logging/files/nova-common.yaml
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..e40f9cd6ee
--- /dev/null
+++ b/docker/services/logging/files/nova-common.yaml
@@ -0,0 +1,57 @@
+heat_template_version: pike
+
+description: >
+  Template for nova's logging to files
+
+parameters:
+  DockerNovaImage:
+    description: image
+    type: string
+  NovaServiceName:
+    description: service name
+    type: string
+
+resources:
+
+  InitLogContainerName:
+    type: OS::Heat::Value
+    properties:
+      type: string
+      value:
+        str_replace:
+          template: nova_SERVICE_init_log
+          params:
+            SERVICE: {get_param: NovaServiceName}
+
+outputs:
+  cmd_extra_args:
+    description: Extra command line arguments for running the service in the container.
+    value: ''
+  config_settings:
+    description: Extra hieradata needed to log to files in the host.
+    value: null
+  volumes:
+    description: The volumes needed to log to files in the host.
+    value:
+      - /var/log/containers/nova:/var/log/nova
+  docker_config:
+    description: Extra containers needed for logging to files in the host.
+    value:
+      step_2:
+        map_replace:
+        - CONTAINERNAME:
+            image: {get_param: DockerNovaImage}
+            privileged: false
+            user: root
+            volumes:
+              - /var/log/containers/nova:/var/log/nova
+            command: ['/bin/bash', '-c', 'chown -R nova:nova /var/log/nova']
+        - keys:
+            CONTAINERNAME: {get_attr: [InitLogContainerName, value]}
+  host_prep_tasks:
+    description: Extra ansible tasks needed for logging to files in the host.
+    value:
+      - name: create persistent logs directory
+        file:
+          path: /var/log/containers/nova
+          state: directory
diff --git a/docker/services/logging/files/nova-placement.yaml b/docker/services/logging/files/nova-placement.yaml
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..0c56ea712f
--- /dev/null
+++ b/docker/services/logging/files/nova-placement.yaml
@@ -0,0 +1,39 @@
+heat_template_version: pike
+
+description: >
+  Template for nova-placement's logging to files
+
+parameters:
+  DockerNovaPlacementImage:
+    description: image
+    type: string
+
+outputs:
+  config_settings:
+    description: Extra hieradata needed to log to files in the host.
+    value: null
+  volumes:
+    description: The volumes needed to log to files in the host.
+    value: &nova_placement_volumes
+      - /var/log/containers/nova:/var/log/nova
+      - /var/log/containers/httpd/nova-placement:/var/log/httpd
+  docker_config:
+    description: Extra containers needed for logging to files in the host.
+    value:
+      step_2:
+        nova_placement_init_log:
+          start_order: 1
+          image: {get_param: DockerNovaPlacementImage}
+          user: root
+          command: ['/bin/bash', '-c', 'chown -R nova:nova /var/log/nova']
+          volumes: *nova_placement_volumes
+  host_prep_tasks:
+    description: Extra ansible tasks needed for logging to files in the host.
+    value:
+      - name: create persistent logs directory
+        file:
+          path: "{{ item }}"
+          state: directory
+        with_items:
+          - /var/log/containers/nova
+          - /var/log/containers/httpd/nova-placement
diff --git a/docker/services/logging/stdout/nova-api.yaml b/docker/services/logging/stdout/nova-api.yaml
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..de38a5f187
--- /dev/null
+++ b/docker/services/logging/stdout/nova-api.yaml
@@ -0,0 +1,60 @@
+heat_template_version: pike
+
+description: >
+  Template for nova-api's logging to stdout
+
+parameters:
+  DockerNovaApiImage:
+    description: image
+    type: string
+
+outputs:
+  config_settings:
+    description: Extra hieradata needed to log to stdout.
+    value:
+      nova::wsgi::apache_api::access_log_file: /var/log/httpd/access.log
+      nova::wsgi::apache_api::error_log_file: /var/log/httpd/error_log
+  volumes:
+    description: The volumes needed to log to stdout or a sidecar container.
+    value:
+      - NovaApiLogs:/var/log/
+  docker_config:
+    description: Extra containers needed for logging to stdout or a sidecar container.
+    value:
+      step_2:
+        nova_api_apache_error_logs:
+          start_order: 1
+          image: {get_param: DockerNovaApiImage}
+          user: root
+          privileged: false
+          restart: always
+          healthcheck:
+            test: '[ -p /var/log/httpd/error_log ]'
+          command: ['/bin/bash', '-c', 'mkdir -p /var/log/httpd && rm -f /var/log/httpd/error_log && mkfifo /var/log/httpd/error_log && while true; do cat /var/log/httpd/error_log; done']
+          volumes:
+            - NovaApiLogs:/var/log/
+        nova_api_apache_access_logs:
+          start_order: 1
+          image: {get_param: DockerNovaApiImage}
+          user: root
+          privileged: false
+          restart: always
+          healthcheck:
+            test: '[ -p /var/log/httpd/access.log ]'
+          command: ['/bin/bash', '-c', 'mkdir -p /var/log/httpd && rm -f /var/log/httpd/access.log && mkfifo /var/log/httpd/access.log && while true; do cat /var/log/httpd/access.log; done']
+          volumes:
+            - NovaApiLogs:/var/log/
+        nova_api_logs:
+          start_order: 2
+          image: {get_param: DockerNovaApiImage}
+          user: nova
+          privileged: false
+          restart: always
+          healthcheck:
+            test: '[ -p /var/log/nova/nova-api.log ]'
+          command: ['/bin/bash', '-c', 'mkdir -p /var/log/nova && rm -f /var/log/nova/nova-api.log && mkfifo /var/log/nova/nova-api.log && while true; do cat /var/log/nova/nova-api.log; done']
+          volumes:
+            - NovaApiLogs:/var/log/
+  host_prep_tasks:
+    description: Extra ansible tasks needed for logging to files in the host.
+    value: null
diff --git a/docker/services/logging/stdout/nova-common.yaml b/docker/services/logging/stdout/nova-common.yaml
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..799bbccd70
--- /dev/null
+++ b/docker/services/logging/stdout/nova-common.yaml
@@ -0,0 +1,30 @@
+heat_template_version: pike
+
+description: >
+  Template for nova's logging to stdout
+
+parameters:
+  DockerNovaImage:
+    description: image
+    type: string
+  NovaServiceName:
+    description: service name
+    type: string
+
+outputs:
+  cmd_extra_args:
+    description: Extra command line arguments for running the service in the container.
+    value: "--log-dir= --log-file="
+  config_settings:
+    description: Extra hieradata needed to log to stdout.
+    value: null
+  volumes:
+    description: The volumes needed to log to stdout.
+    value: null
+  docker_config:
+    description: Extra containers needed for logging to stdout.
+    value:
+      step_2: {}
+  host_prep_tasks:
+    description: Extra ansible tasks needed for logging to stdout.
+    value: null
diff --git a/docker/services/logging/stdout/nova-placement.yaml b/docker/services/logging/stdout/nova-placement.yaml
new file mode 100644
index 0000000000..d39bd6aca7
--- /dev/null
+++ b/docker/services/logging/stdout/nova-placement.yaml
@@ -0,0 +1,60 @@
+heat_template_version: pike
+
+description: >
+  Template for nova-placement's logging to stdout
+
+parameters:
+  DockerNovaPlacementImage:
+    description: image
+    type: string
+
+outputs:
+  config_settings:
+    description: Extra hieradata needed to log to stdout.
+    value:
+      nova::wsgi::apache_placement::access_log_file: /var/log/httpd/access.log
+      nova::wsgi::apache_placement::error_log_file: /var/log/httpd/error_log
+  volumes:
+    description: The volumes needed to log to stdout or a sidecar container.
+    value:
+      - NovaPlacementLogs:/var/log/
+  docker_config:
+    description: Extra containers needed for logging to stdout or a sidecar container.
+    value:
+      step_2:
+        nova_placement_apache_error_logs:
+          start_order: 1
+          image: {get_param: DockerNovaPlacementImage}
+          user: root
+          privileged: false
+          restart: always
+          healthcheck:
+            test: '[ -p /var/log/httpd/error_log ]'
+          command: ['/bin/bash', '-c', 'mkdir -p /var/log/httpd && rm -f /var/log/httpd/error_log && mkfifo /var/log/httpd/error_log && while true; do cat /var/log/httpd/error_log; done']
+          volumes:
+            - NovaPlacementLogs:/var/log/
+        nova_placement_apache_access_logs:
+          start_order: 1
+          image: {get_param: DockerNovaPlacementImage}
+          user: root
+          privileged: false
+          restart: always
+          healthcheck:
+            test: '[ -p /var/log/httpd/access.log ]'
+          command: ['/bin/bash', '-c', 'mkdir -p /var/log/httpd && rm -f /var/log/httpd/access.log && mkfifo /var/log/httpd/access.log && while true; do cat /var/log/httpd/access.log; done']
+          volumes:
+            - NovaPlacementLogs:/var/log/
+        nova_placement_logs:
+          start_order: 2
+          image: {get_param: DockerNovaPlacementImage}
+          user: nova
+          privileged: false
+          restart: always
+          healthcheck:
+            test: '[ -p /var/log/nova/nova-placement-api.log ]'
+          command: ['/bin/bash', '-c', 'mkdir -p /var/log/nova && rm -f /var/log/nova/nova-placement-api.log && mkfifo /var/log/nova/nova-placement-api.log && while true; do cat /var/log/nova/nova-placement-api.log; done']
+          volumes:
+            - NovaPlacementLogs:/var/log/
+  host_prep_tasks:
+    description: Extra ansible tasks needed for logging to files in the host.
+    value: null
diff --git a/docker/services/nova-api.yaml b/docker/services/nova-api.yaml
index 7f1b7a54db..b68474bef5 100644
--- a/docker/services/nova-api.yaml
+++ b/docker/services/nova-api.yaml
@@ -66,6 +66,9 @@ resources:
       RoleName: {get_param: RoleName}
       RoleParameters: {get_param: RoleParameters}
 
+  NovaApiLogging:
+    type: OS::TripleO::Services::Logging::NovaApi
+
 outputs:
   role_data:
     description: Role data for the Nova API role.
@@ -74,6 +77,7 @@ outputs:
       config_settings:
         map_merge:
           - get_attr: [NovaApiBase, role_data, config_settings]
+          - get_attr: [NovaApiLogging, config_settings]
           - apache::default_vhost: false
       logging_source: {get_attr: [NovaApiBase, role_data, logging_source]}
       logging_groups: {get_attr: [NovaApiBase, role_data, logging_groups]}
@@ -114,31 +118,22 @@ outputs:
               owner: nova:nova
               recurse: true
       docker_config:
-        # db sync runs before permissions set by kolla_config
         step_2:
-          nova_init_logs:
-            image: &nova_api_image {get_param: DockerNovaApiImage}
-            privileged: false
-            user: root
-            volumes:
-              - /var/log/containers/nova:/var/log/nova
-              - /var/log/containers/httpd/nova-api:/var/log/httpd
-            command: ['/bin/bash', '-c', 'chown -R nova:nova /var/log/nova']
+          get_attr: [NovaApiLogging, docker_config, step_2]
         step_3:
           nova_api_db_sync:
             start_order: 0
-            image: *nova_api_image
+            image: &nova_api_image {get_param: DockerNovaApiImage}
             net: host
             detach: false
             user: root
             volumes: &nova_api_bootstrap_volumes
               list_concat:
                 - {get_attr: [ContainersCommon, volumes]}
+                - {get_attr: [NovaApiLogging, volumes]}
                 -
                   - /var/lib/config-data/nova/etc/my.cnf.d/tripleo.cnf:/etc/my.cnf.d/tripleo.cnf:ro
                   - /var/lib/config-data/nova/etc/nova/:/etc/nova/:ro
-                  - /var/log/containers/nova:/var/log/nova
-                  - /var/log/containers/httpd/nova-api:/var/log/httpd
             command: "/usr/bin/bootstrap_host_exec nova_api su nova -s /bin/bash -c '/usr/bin/nova-manage api_db sync'"
           # FIXME: we probably want to wait on the 'cell_v2 update' in order for this
           # to be capable of upgrading a baremetal setup. This is to ensure the name
@@ -182,11 +177,10 @@ outputs:
             volumes:
               list_concat:
                 - {get_attr: [ContainersCommon, volumes]}
+                - {get_attr: [NovaApiLogging, volumes]}
                 -
                   - /var/lib/kolla/config_files/nova_api.json:/var/lib/kolla/config_files/config.json:ro
                   - /var/lib/config-data/puppet-generated/nova/:/var/lib/kolla/config_files/src:ro
-                  - /var/log/containers/nova:/var/log/nova
-                  - /var/log/containers/httpd/nova-api:/var/log/httpd
                   -
                     if:
                       - internal_tls_enabled
@@ -210,11 +204,10 @@ outputs:
             volumes:
               list_concat:
                 - {get_attr: [ContainersCommon, volumes]}
+                - {get_attr: [NovaApiLogging, volumes]}
                 -
                   - /var/lib/kolla/config_files/nova_api_cron.json:/var/lib/kolla/config_files/config.json:ro
                   - /var/lib/config-data/puppet-generated/nova/:/var/lib/kolla/config_files/src:ro
-                  - /var/log/containers/nova:/var/log/nova
-                  - /var/log/containers/httpd/nova-api:/var/log/httpd
             environment:
               - KOLLA_CONFIG_STRATEGY=COPY_ALWAYS
         step_5:
@@ -228,14 +221,7 @@ outputs:
             command: "/usr/bin/bootstrap_host_exec nova_api su nova -s /bin/bash -c '/usr/bin/nova-manage cell_v2 discover_hosts --verbose'"
       metadata_settings:
         get_attr: [NovaApiBase, role_data, metadata_settings]
-      host_prep_tasks:
-        - name: create persistent logs directory
-          file:
-            path: "{{ item }}"
-            state: directory
-          with_items:
-            - /var/log/containers/nova
-            - /var/log/containers/httpd/nova-api
+      host_prep_tasks: {get_attr: [NovaApiLogging, host_prep_tasks]}
       upgrade_tasks:
         - name: Stop and disable nova_api service
           tags: step2
diff --git a/docker/services/nova-conductor.yaml b/docker/services/nova-conductor.yaml
index f15c3a6877..3d2b0600e8 100644
--- a/docker/services/nova-conductor.yaml
+++ b/docker/services/nova-conductor.yaml
@@ -64,12 +64,21 @@ resources:
       RoleName: {get_param: RoleName}
       RoleParameters: {get_param: RoleParameters}
 
+  NovaLogging:
+    type: OS::TripleO::Services::Logging::NovaCommon
+    properties:
+      DockerNovaImage: {get_param: DockerNovaConductorImage}
+      NovaServiceName: 'conductor'
+
 outputs:
   role_data:
     description: Role data for the Nova Conductor service.
     value:
       service_name: {get_attr: [NovaConductorBase, role_data, service_name]}
-      config_settings: {get_attr: [NovaConductorBase, role_data, config_settings]}
+      config_settings:
+        map_merge:
+          - {get_attr: [NovaConductorBase, role_data, config_settings]}
+          - {get_attr: [NovaLogging, config_settings]}
       logging_source: {get_attr: [NovaConductorBase, role_data, logging_source]}
       logging_groups: {get_attr: [NovaConductorBase, role_data, logging_groups]}
       step_config: &step_config
@@ -86,7 +95,11 @@ outputs:
         config_image: {get_param: DockerNovaConfigImage}
       kolla_config:
         /var/lib/kolla/config_files/nova_conductor.json:
-          command: /usr/bin/nova-conductor
+          command:
+            list_join:
+            - ' '
+            - - /usr/bin/nova-conductor
+              - get_attr: [NovaLogging, cmd_extra_args]
           config_files:
             - source: "/var/lib/kolla/config_files/src/*"
               dest: "/"
@@ -106,17 +119,13 @@ outputs:
             volumes:
               list_concat:
                 - {get_attr: [ContainersCommon, volumes]}
+                - {get_attr: [NovaLogging, volumes]}
                 -
                   - /var/lib/kolla/config_files/nova_conductor.json:/var/lib/kolla/config_files/config.json:ro
                   - /var/lib/config-data/puppet-generated/nova/:/var/lib/kolla/config_files/src:ro
-                  - /var/log/containers/nova:/var/log/nova
             environment:
               - KOLLA_CONFIG_STRATEGY=COPY_ALWAYS
-      host_prep_tasks:
-        - name: create persistent logs directory
-          file:
-            path: /var/log/containers/nova
-            state: directory
+      host_prep_tasks: {get_attr: [NovaLogging, host_prep_tasks]}
       upgrade_tasks:
         - name: Set compute upgrade level to auto
           tags: step1
diff --git a/docker/services/nova-consoleauth.yaml b/docker/services/nova-consoleauth.yaml
index 069b09bcb9..4a2f6b6210 100644
--- a/docker/services/nova-consoleauth.yaml
+++ b/docker/services/nova-consoleauth.yaml
@@ -59,12 +59,21 @@ resources:
       RoleName: {get_param: RoleName}
       RoleParameters: {get_param: RoleParameters}
 
+  NovaLogging:
+    type: OS::TripleO::Services::Logging::NovaCommon
+    properties:
+      DockerNovaImage: {get_param: DockerNovaConsoleauthImage}
+      NovaServiceName: 'consoleauth'
+
 outputs:
   role_data:
     description: Role data for the Nova Consoleauth service.
     value:
       service_name: {get_attr: [NovaConsoleauthPuppetBase, role_data, service_name]}
-      config_settings: {get_attr: [NovaConsoleauthPuppetBase, role_data, config_settings]}
+      config_settings:
+        map_merge:
+          - {get_attr: [NovaConsoleauthPuppetBase, role_data, config_settings]}
+          - {get_attr: [NovaLogging, config_settings]}
       logging_source: {get_attr: [NovaConsoleauthPuppetBase, role_data, logging_source]}
       logging_groups: {get_attr: [NovaConsoleauthPuppetBase, role_data, logging_groups]}
       step_config: &step_config
@@ -81,7 +90,11 @@ outputs:
         config_image: {get_param: DockerNovaConfigImage}
       kolla_config:
         /var/lib/kolla/config_files/nova_consoleauth.json:
-          command: /usr/bin/nova-consoleauth
+          command:
+            list_join:
+            - ' '
+            - - /usr/bin/nova-consoleauth
+              - get_attr: [NovaLogging, cmd_extra_args]
           config_files:
             - source: "/var/lib/kolla/config_files/src/*"
               dest: "/"
@@ -101,17 +114,13 @@ outputs:
             volumes:
               list_concat:
                 - {get_attr: [ContainersCommon, volumes]}
+                - {get_attr: [NovaLogging, volumes]}
                 -
                   - /var/lib/kolla/config_files/nova_consoleauth.json:/var/lib/kolla/config_files/config.json:ro
                   - /var/lib/config-data/puppet-generated/nova/:/var/lib/kolla/config_files/src:ro
-                  - /var/log/containers/nova:/var/log/nova
             environment:
               - KOLLA_CONFIG_STRATEGY=COPY_ALWAYS
-      host_prep_tasks:
-        - name: create persistent logs directory
-          file:
-            path: /var/log/containers/nova
-            state: directory
+      host_prep_tasks: {get_attr: [NovaLogging, host_prep_tasks]}
       upgrade_tasks:
         - name: Stop and disable nova_consoleauth service
           tags: step2
diff --git a/docker/services/nova-metadata.yaml b/docker/services/nova-metadata.yaml
index 54d9312b42..93eb08f0bb 100644
--- a/docker/services/nova-metadata.yaml
+++ b/docker/services/nova-metadata.yaml
@@ -52,6 +52,12 @@ resources:
       RoleName: {get_param: RoleName}
       RoleParameters: {get_param: RoleParameters}
 
+  NovaLogging:
+    type: OS::TripleO::Services::Logging::NovaCommon
+    properties:
+      DockerNovaImage: {get_param: DockerNovaMetadataImage}
+      NovaServiceName: 'metadata'
+
 outputs:
   role_data:
     description: Role data for the Nova Metadata service.
@@ -60,6 +66,7 @@ outputs:
       config_settings:
         map_merge:
           - get_attr: [NovaMetadataBase, role_data, config_settings]
+          - {get_attr: [NovaLogging, config_settings]}
       logging_source: {get_attr: [NovaMetadataBase, role_data, logging_source]}
       logging_groups: {get_attr: [NovaMetadataBase, role_data, logging_groups]}
       step_config: &step_config
@@ -73,7 +80,11 @@ outputs:
         config_image: {get_param: DockerNovaConfigImage}
       kolla_config:
         /var/lib/kolla/config_files/nova_metadata.json:
-          command: /usr/bin/nova-api-metadata
+          command:
+            list_join:
+            - ' '
+            - - /usr/bin/nova-api-metadata
+              - get_attr: [NovaLogging, cmd_extra_args]
           config_files:
             - source: "/var/lib/kolla/config_files/src/*"
               dest: "/"
@@ -85,17 +96,11 @@ outputs:
               recurse: true
       docker_config:
         step_2:
-          nova_init_logs:
-            image: &nova_metadata_image {get_param: DockerNovaMetadataImage}
-            privileged: false
-            user: root
-            volumes:
-              - /var/log/containers/nova:/var/log/nova
-            command: ['/bin/bash', '-c', 'chown -R nova:nova /var/log/nova']
+          get_attr: [NovaLogging, docker_config, step_2]
         step_4:
           nova_metadata:
             start_order: 2
-            image: *nova_metadata_image
+            image: &nova_metadata_image {get_param: DockerNovaMetadataImage}
             net: host
             user: nova
             privileged: true
@@ -103,19 +108,15 @@ outputs:
             volumes:
               list_concat:
                 - {get_attr: [ContainersCommon, volumes]}
+                - {get_attr: [NovaLogging, volumes]}
                 -
                   - /var/lib/kolla/config_files/nova_metadata.json:/var/lib/kolla/config_files/config.json:ro
                   - /var/lib/config-data/puppet-generated/nova/:/var/lib/kolla/config_files/src:ro
-                  - /var/log/containers/nova:/var/log/nova
             environment:
               - KOLLA_CONFIG_STRATEGY=COPY_ALWAYS
       metadata_settings:
         get_attr: [NovaMetadataBase, role_data, metadata_settings]
-      host_prep_tasks:
-        - name: create persistent logs directory
-          file:
-            path: /var/log/containers/nova
-            state: directory
+      host_prep_tasks: {get_attr: [NovaLogging, host_prep_tasks]}
       upgrade_tasks:
         - name: Stop and disable nova_api service
           tags: step2
diff --git a/docker/services/nova-placement.yaml b/docker/services/nova-placement.yaml
index bd5ae73147..84e58f567a 100644
--- a/docker/services/nova-placement.yaml
+++ b/docker/services/nova-placement.yaml
@@ -66,6 +66,9 @@ resources:
       RoleName: {get_param: RoleName}
       RoleParameters: {get_param: RoleParameters}
 
+  NovaPlacementLogging:
+    type: OS::TripleO::Services::Logging::NovaPlacement
+
 outputs:
   role_data:
     description: Role data for the Nova Placement API role.
@@ -74,6 +77,7 @@ outputs:
       config_settings:
         map_merge:
           - get_attr: [NovaPlacementBase, role_data, config_settings]
+          - get_attr: [NovaPlacementLogging, config_settings]
           - apache::default_vhost: false
       logging_source: {get_attr: [NovaPlacementBase, role_data, logging_source]}
       logging_groups: {get_attr: [NovaPlacementBase, role_data, logging_groups]}
@@ -102,6 +106,8 @@ outputs:
               owner: nova:nova
               recurse: true
       docker_config:
+        step_2:
+          get_attr: [NovaPlacementLogging, docker_config, step_2]
         # start this early so it is up before computes start reporting
         step_3:
           nova_placement:
@@ -113,11 +119,10 @@ outputs:
             volumes:
               list_concat:
                 - {get_attr: [ContainersCommon, volumes]}
+                - get_attr: [NovaPlacementLogging, volumes]
                 -
                   - /var/lib/kolla/config_files/nova_placement.json:/var/lib/kolla/config_files/config.json:ro
                   - /var/lib/config-data/puppet-generated/nova_placement/:/var/lib/kolla/config_files/src:ro
-                  - /var/log/containers/nova:/var/log/nova
-                  - /var/log/containers/httpd/nova-placement:/var/log/httpd
                   -
                     if:
                       - internal_tls_enabled
@@ -132,14 +137,7 @@ outputs:
               - KOLLA_CONFIG_STRATEGY=COPY_ALWAYS
       metadata_settings:
         get_attr: [NovaPlacementBase, role_data, metadata_settings]
-      host_prep_tasks:
-        - name: create persistent logs directory
-          file:
-            path: "{{ item }}"
-            state: directory
-          with_items:
-            - /var/log/containers/nova
-            - /var/log/containers/httpd/nova-placement
+      host_prep_tasks: {get_attr: [NovaPlacementLogging, host_prep_tasks]}
       upgrade_tasks:
         - name: Stop and disable nova_placement service (running under httpd)
           tags: step2
diff --git a/docker/services/nova-scheduler.yaml b/docker/services/nova-scheduler.yaml
index f8109b9651..45ecc80fab 100644
--- a/docker/services/nova-scheduler.yaml
+++ b/docker/services/nova-scheduler.yaml
@@ -59,12 +59,21 @@ resources:
       RoleName: {get_param: RoleName}
       RoleParameters: {get_param: RoleParameters}
 
+  NovaLogging:
+    type: OS::TripleO::Services::Logging::NovaCommon
+    properties:
+      DockerNovaImage: {get_param: DockerNovaSchedulerImage}
+      NovaServiceName: 'scheduler'
+
 outputs:
   role_data:
     description: Role data for the Nova Scheduler service.
     value:
       service_name: {get_attr: [NovaSchedulerBase, role_data, service_name]}
-      config_settings: {get_attr: [NovaSchedulerBase, role_data, config_settings]}
+      config_settings:
+        map_merge:
+          - {get_attr: [NovaSchedulerBase, role_data, config_settings]}
+          - {get_attr: [NovaLogging, config_settings]}
       logging_source: {get_attr: [NovaSchedulerBase, role_data, logging_source]}
       logging_groups: {get_attr: [NovaSchedulerBase, role_data, logging_groups]}
       step_config: &step_config
@@ -81,7 +90,11 @@ outputs:
         config_image: {get_param: DockerNovaConfigImage}
       kolla_config:
         /var/lib/kolla/config_files/nova_scheduler.json:
-          command: /usr/bin/nova-scheduler
+          command:
+            list_join:
+            - ' '
+            - - /usr/bin/nova-scheduler
+              - get_attr: [NovaLogging, cmd_extra_args]
           config_files:
             - source: "/var/lib/kolla/config_files/src/*"
               dest: "/"
@@ -101,18 +114,14 @@ outputs:
             volumes:
               list_concat:
                 - {get_attr: [ContainersCommon, volumes]}
+                - {get_attr: [NovaLogging, volumes]}
                 -
                   - /var/lib/kolla/config_files/nova_scheduler.json:/var/lib/kolla/config_files/config.json:ro
                   - /var/lib/config-data/puppet-generated/nova/:/var/lib/kolla/config_files/src:ro
                   - /run:/run
-                  - /var/log/containers/nova:/var/log/nova
             environment:
               - KOLLA_CONFIG_STRATEGY=COPY_ALWAYS
-      host_prep_tasks:
-        - name: create persistent logs directory
-          file:
-            path: /var/log/containers/nova
-            state: directory
+      host_prep_tasks: {get_attr: [NovaLogging, host_prep_tasks]}
       upgrade_tasks:
         - name: Stop and disable nova_scheduler service
           tags: step2
diff --git a/docker/services/nova-vnc-proxy.yaml b/docker/services/nova-vnc-proxy.yaml
index b1da294baa..b99e2fc18a 100644
--- a/docker/services/nova-vnc-proxy.yaml
+++ b/docker/services/nova-vnc-proxy.yaml
@@ -59,12 +59,21 @@ resources:
       RoleName: {get_param: RoleName}
       RoleParameters: {get_param: RoleParameters}
 
+  NovaLogging:
+    type: OS::TripleO::Services::Logging::NovaCommon
+    properties:
+      DockerNovaImage: {get_param: DockerNovaVncProxyImage}
+      NovaServiceName: 'vncproxy'
+
 outputs:
   role_data:
     description: Role data for the Nova Vncproxy service.
     value:
       service_name: {get_attr: [NovaVncProxyPuppetBase, role_data, service_name]}
-      config_settings: {get_attr: [NovaVncProxyPuppetBase, role_data, config_settings]}
+      config_settings:
+        map_merge:
+          - {get_attr: [NovaVncProxyPuppetBase, role_data, config_settings]}
+          - {get_attr: [NovaLogging, config_settings]}
       logging_source: {get_attr: [NovaVncProxyPuppetBase, role_data, logging_source]}
       logging_groups: {get_attr: [NovaVncProxyPuppetBase, role_data, logging_groups]}
       step_config: &step_config
@@ -81,7 +90,11 @@ outputs:
         config_image: {get_param: DockerNovaConfigImage}
       kolla_config:
         /var/lib/kolla/config_files/nova_vnc_proxy.json:
-          command: /usr/bin/nova-novncproxy --web /usr/share/novnc/
+          command:
+            list_join:
+            - ' '
+            - - /usr/bin/nova-novncproxy --web /usr/share/novnc/
+              - get_attr: [NovaLogging, cmd_extra_args]
           config_files:
             - source: "/var/lib/kolla/config_files/src/*"
               dest: "/"
@@ -101,17 +114,13 @@ outputs:
             volumes:
               list_concat:
                 - {get_attr: [ContainersCommon, volumes]}
+                - {get_attr: [NovaLogging, volumes]}
                 -
                   - /var/lib/kolla/config_files/nova_vnc_proxy.json:/var/lib/kolla/config_files/config.json:ro
                   - /var/lib/config-data/puppet-generated/nova/:/var/lib/kolla/config_files/src:ro
-                  - /var/log/containers/nova:/var/log/nova
             environment:
               - KOLLA_CONFIG_STRATEGY=COPY_ALWAYS
-      host_prep_tasks:
-        - name: create persistent logs directory
-          file:
-            path: /var/log/containers/nova
-            state: directory
+      host_prep_tasks: {get_attr: [NovaLogging, host_prep_tasks]}
       upgrade_tasks:
         - name: Stop and disable nova_vnc_proxy service
           tags: step2
diff --git a/environments/stdout-logging.yaml b/environments/stdout-logging.yaml
index 0a3073e7fd..c00155eead 100644
--- a/environments/stdout-logging.yaml
+++ b/environments/stdout-logging.yaml
@@ -2,3 +2,6 @@ resource_registry:
 
   OS::TripleO::Services::Logging::GlanceApi: ../docker/services/logging/stdout/glance-api.yaml
   OS::TripleO::Services::Logging::Keystone: ../docker/services/logging/stdout/keystone.yaml
+  OS::TripleO::Services::Logging::NovaApi: ../docker/services/logging/stdout/nova-api.yaml
+  OS::TripleO::Services::Logging::NovaCommon: ../docker/services/logging/stdout/nova-common.yaml
+  OS::TripleO::Services::Logging::NovaPlacement: ../docker/services/logging/stdout/nova-placement.yaml
diff --git a/overcloud-resource-registry-puppet.j2.yaml b/overcloud-resource-registry-puppet.j2.yaml
index 515c2db7eb..8937dd9b11 100644
--- a/overcloud-resource-registry-puppet.j2.yaml
+++ b/overcloud-resource-registry-puppet.j2.yaml
@@ -301,6 +301,9 @@ resource_registry:
   # Logging
   OS::TripleO::Services::Logging::GlanceApi: docker/services/logging/files/glance-api.yaml
   OS::TripleO::Services::Logging::Keystone: docker/services/logging/files/keystone.yaml
+  OS::TripleO::Services::Logging::NovaApi: docker/services/logging/files/nova-api.yaml
+  OS::TripleO::Services::Logging::NovaCommon: docker/services/logging/files/nova-common.yaml
+  OS::TripleO::Services::Logging::NovaPlacement: docker/services/logging/files/nova-placement.yaml
 
 parameter_defaults:
   EnablePackageInstall: false